HF 4 JOSIAS HOWARD'S YOUNGER SONS.
 
H4/4[2][4] Minto Howard   =   (1st) Ruby Edith Palmer.
                  (1865 - 1930)   [m.1893]    (  ?  -  ?  )
 
                                               =   (2nd) Lucy McLeod nee Green.
                                             [m.1918]   (1879 - 1965)
 
Minto Howard was the third child and third son of Josias Howard and Julia Martha Wright and he was born on 30th.December, 1865 in King William's Town, Eastern Cape Province.  As his parents lived and died in that town he, presumably grew up there and received his schooling locally, although his brother John Edward Percy Howard was probably sent to England for his education and the same may have applied to Minto. He became a farmer near Fort Jackson in the East London district and he married (1st) Ruby Edith Palmer at Thomas River. Although it has been impossible to trace the connection it seems likely she was related to and possibly the sister of Ida France Palmer who became the wife of Minto's brother,Thomas Willie Marshall Howard, the youngest of the family.  It is believed that she was born in Cathcart and the possibility exists that she was related to or the daughter of Rev. Palmer after whom the Palmerston Mission station was named.  But none of this has been confirmed.  Ruby Edith Howard nee Palmer died at Fort Jackson and, although a sixth child, a son, died young, maybe at the time of his mother's death, the five surviving children of this first marriage were:
 
H4/5.[4]a Pearl Adelaide Howard, who was born on 6.3.1894 in Queenstown and she married Edward Avery but died ten days after the birth of a son called Minto Avery.
 
H4/5.[4]b Courtice Charles Howard, who was born on 27.5.1895 in Cathcart, Cape Province and he married (1st) Vivian Daphne Pringle on 27.8.1927 in Aliwal North.  She was born in 1899 at Blaauwkrantz and they had three children:
 

H4/6.baVictor Howard about whom little has been traced although it is believed that he married.

 
H4/6.bb Alexander Howard, who was born on 24.11.1937 in Aliwal North.
 
H4/6.bc Mervyn Howard, who was also born on 24.11.1937 in Aliwal North.
 
H4/5.[4]c Cecil Minto Howard, who was born on 9.7.1897 in Cathcart and he died on 9.10.1898 in Cathcart.
 
H4/5.[4]d Merwyn Palmer Howard, who was born on 18.11.1899 in Cathcart and died ( date ?) at Fort Jackson, in the East London district.
 
H4/5.[4][7]Douglas Victor Howard, who was born on 7.8.1903 in Cathcart and he married Violet Mary Howard (called 'TuTu') on 16.9 1930 in Johannesburg. She was the daughter of Herbert Howard and Violet May Howard nee Jefferson.
         [Herbert was Minto's younger brother, so Douglas and Violet were first cousins]  See section H4/5.[4][7] for details of their lives.
 
Minto Howard married (2nd) Lucy McLeod nee Green the service being held at St. Marks Anglican Church, Cambridge, East London on 30th.September, 1918.  She was born on 25th.August, 1879 in Plymouth, U.K. and was the daughter of Matilda and Lichfield Green (?) McLeod.  Minto became a farmer; they lived on the farm 'Howardene', in the Egerton District of East London and Lucy Howard nee McLeod was the principal of the Primary Farm School at Fort Jackson.
Minto Howard died in East London on 6.9.1930 and after his death his widow moved into that city to live.  She remained there until she died some thirty-five years later, on 15.9.1965.  There was only one child of this marriage, Meredith Minto Howard.
 
 
H4/5.[4][8] Meredith Minto Howard, who was the only child of Minto Howard's second marriage to Lucy McLeod.  He was born on 15.9.1919 in East London and Christened at St. Luke's Mission, Newlands district of East London by Rev. W.A. Challis.  He attended the Primary Farm School at Fort Jackson where his mother was the Principal.  Each weekday he travelled five or six miles to school by horse and cart.  The Xhosa children were his playmates and he learnt to speak their Xhosa language well so that he could still converse in it as an adult.  Then he went to Selborne Primary and College and, thereafter, to Technical College in East London.  His favourite subjects were Geography and Bookkeeping.  He also enjoyed playing rugby.
In February, 1938 he joined Shell Oil Company as a Junior Clerk and retired from the same company in April, 1979 as Credit Manager - 41 years of service, including the time spent in Military service from 1940 to 1945.
He joined the Kaffrarian Rifles - (1940/1945, North Africa action Bardia.)   He was taken as a P.O.W. at Tobruk in June, 1942 and spent 13 months at Fara Sabina in Italy, then 14 months in Germany at Stalag 4B, Dresden, Leipsig and Schmorkaw.  He was released from the prisoner of war camp by the U.S.A. Forces (under Gen. Patton) in April, 1945 and returned to South Africa by August, 1945.
Meredith Minto Howard, nicknamed 'Bill' while at school, was married at St. John's Anglican Church, East London on 18th.April,1949 by the Rev. R.C.Doe to Eva Gallimore, the daughter of Frederick Ernest Gallimore and Thomasina Gallimore.    Her father came from Lichfield, Staffordshire and her mother from Shotley Bridge, near Newcastle, Northumberland, England.  They came out to South Africa and married in Johannesburg in about 1908.  Eva was born on 13.8.1921 in Johannesburg and she went to school in Brakpan, Transvaal and later to Commercial College in East London.  Then she worked as a shorthand typist for Garlicks in East London for seven years, going on to Shell Company for four years, then Evans, Barnes & Fitz for three years.  Her hobbies were gardening and tennis.
They lived at Serabie Court, Longfellow Street, East London until they were transferred to Port Elizabeth in 1955.
They both played badminton for Shell Co. in East London and Eva continued with her tennis.  Bill played rugby for many years.  They enjoyed their holidays in the Kuger National Park and the Eastern Transvaal and went on an organised tour of Europe and England in 1980.
They have two sons, Colin and his wife, Lee, who run holiday cottages in Port Alfred (at 'Bretton Beach Cres't and 'Spinning Reel'.)  Colin and Lee have toured parts of U.S.A., U.K. and Europe.  Colin plays a good game of golf and squash.  Lee has won cups and awards for flower arranging.
Alan Howard toured Europe in 1987.  He also plays squash.  He has a  B.Com. degree and is Finance Accountant at African Oxygen in Port Elizabeth.
Details of Meredith Minto Howard and Eva Howard nee Gallimore's sons are as follows:
 
H4/6.[8]a Colin Minto Howard, born 14.11.1953 in Port Elizabeth, married in Port Alfred to Lee Gardner, daughter of Frank and Gift Gardner.  She was born on 15.1.1956 in Port Alfred and they have two children:
 
H4/7.(aa)Derryn Howard, born 9.9.1983 in Port Alfred.
 
             H4/7.(ab)Nicole Howard, born 9.5.1986 in Port Alfred.
 
H4/6.[8]b Alan Meredith Howard, born 8.9.1957 in Port Elizabeth
 
H4/4.[2][5] Herbert Howard   =   (1st) Anne Aylesbury.
                    (1867 - 1931)   [m.1894]    (1867 - 1899)
                                                    =  (2nd) Violet May Jefferson.
                                              [m.1900]      (1874 - 1957)
 
Herbert Howard was the fourth child and fourth son of Josias Howard and Julia Martha Howard nee Wright.  He was born in King William's Town on 30.11.1867 and he grew up in that town.  He became a farmer and an auctioneer.
On 10.10.1894 he married Anne Aylesbury in Peddie.  She was the daughter of Thomas and Elizabeth Aylesbury and she was born in Grahamstown in December, 1867 and she had a son and a daughter.  She died on 15.7.1899 in East London and on 3.9.1900 Herbert Howard remarried in Aliwal North.  His second wife was Violet May Jefferson, the youngest daughter of Robert Jefferson (a Notary Public) and Mary Ann Jefferson nee Webster [who had a sister, Marion, who married a Mr. Skill and their daughter, Vi married a Mr. Hill.]
 
Violet May Howard nee Jefferson was born on 18.5.1874 at Foxholes, Surrey and there were six children of this marriage, although the first-born died at about seven months of age.  They lived most of their married life in East London but moved to Aliwal North before the birth of their youngest child in 1909.
Herbert Howard died in Johannesburg on 15.1.1931, aged 64 and his widow lived another 26 years, dying in 1957 in Queenstown.  She spent most of her widowhood staying with her daughters, mostly with her youngest, Flossie Mitton, who lived in Discovery, not far from Johannesburg.
 
From Ruth May:

Although I was too young to remember my Uncle Herbert, who died when I was about two and a half-years old, I knew and loved my Aunt Violet and she was a close friend of my grandmother.  Her granddaughter, Heather Saunders nee Wilson, has a lovely photograph of her as a young woman and her face shows what a sweet person she was.  On one visit to the Mitton's home, she showed us (Heather and me) a number of artefacts she kept in a tin trunk under her bed that had come down to her from Nelson's time and, if I recall correctly what she told us, her ancestor on the Jefferson side was on board one of Nelson's ships at the battle of Trafalgar.  She had flags, buttons and insignia from that time and other 'keepsakes', which meant a lot to her and made her proud of her ancestry.  She and the Mitton family usually joined our family to celebrate each Christmas and my mother and I visited them in return, regretably we were not so close to Aunt Violet's other children, except for my Aunt Iris, Uncle Donald and their daughter, Heather, whom we knew well.

 
Memories and thoughts by Heather Saunders, the daughter of Iris Wilson nee Howard.
 
HERBERT HOWARD/VIOLET MAY nee Jefferson/Iris Noel Wilson nee Howard
 
Bertie, as he was called, was born in King William's Town and went to Dale College.  I know that he later farmed near East London - I think it was at Fort Jackson.  Later on they moved to Aliwal North where I know that Talbot and Flossy went to the Primary School.  I am not sure where the other children went to school.  I went to Aliwal Primary in 1941 to do St[andar]d VI and to learn Afrikaans, and Miss Cookie Baker remembered having taught Talbot and Flossy.
To get back to Bertie, I remember him as a thin man who limped, he had the darkest brown eyes and was full of fun.  He was apparently a great tease when he was young.  I can remember how he used to take me for walks and actually help him feed the fowls and collect the eggs.  He was fond of garlic and onions and my father used to get so annoyed when he kissed me when he got home from work, as I too reeked of garlic polony.  He was fond of animals and there was always room and food for any stray cats and dogs in their home.  He gave my grandmother, Violet May nee Jefferson, a tiny puppy when peace was declared after the first world war, and she cherished this dog.  I remember Peace as very old,  [I remember him very well, too] inclined to be short tempered and thoroughly spoilt.  He had a warm brick wrapped in a towel in his basket on chilly evenings and all sorts of tasty little titbits were given to him to tempt his appetite.   Peace was her last link with Herbert and he must have been at least 20 when he died.  I can remember, too, the time Bertie died - there was so much rushing around and people coming and going and no one had any time to tell me what was happening.  I can remember, too, looking for him afterwards and just being told he'd "gone to heaven".
 
I think that my grandmother, Violet, had a very hard life.  Her mother, Mary Ann Jefferson, was an invalid due to a carriage accident, and she had to look after her.  When she married Bertie Howard he had two children and I know from Kathleen Hartley (Bowes-Taylor) that she was both caring and kind.  They corresponded as a real mother and daughter and when funds permitted visited as families do.  Violet lost her first child, Herbert Jefferson Howard when he was still ababy due to pneumonia then she had five children who lived.  There was not much money and she had to work very hard.  She had been well educated and got a Licentiate Certificate in classical music at Grahamstown.  To the best of my knowledge she did not teach music.  She was also passionately fond of reading, especially poetry and I got my love of this and of good books from her.  She must have been brave too, for I have heard her children talk of how, during the time the Bantu were starving and killing and attacking farmers for food, she went out to them and gave food and treated the incident quite matter of factly.  I remember the night in Johannesburg when my Gran, Donnie, my little brother and I were alone at home and a rather drunk native man came and forced his way into our maid's room.  Having no other weapon, Gran took a broom and quite literally swept him out of the room and then out of the garden.  I think he was so surprised when she closed the gate again, that he just left.  I remember her lovely white hair and blue, blue eyes.  She originally had very fair hair.  She always kept herself looking neat and clean but didn't like 'fussy' clothes.  We loved her dearly, and I know we were all sorry when my father was transferred to East London, that she decided to remain in Johannesburg and make her main home with Aunt Flossy Mitton and just visit us.
 
My mother, Iris, was Violet's third daughter.  She was so called because Bertie brought a huge bunch of Irises to Violet when she was born.  I think they must have been hoping for a son and so had no name ready.  She and Talbot were like Bertie and had dark brown eyes.  My mother's hair always had auburn tints - natural - and she was both practical and a good sport.  She was a tomboy as a child, and if she though Talbot was enjoying a fight with the other boys, she used to push her way to the front of the children just to make sure he was alright.  He used to get furious as he was well able to take care of himself.  She used to sew for herself and her sisters, and seldom used a pattern.  Her clothes always had a 'bought' look about them and she liked to be modern.  She, too, was fond of reading and she had a good singing voice when she was young.  There was never the money for training it.  She worked in an office until she married Donald McNee Wilson.  I do not know where she went to school.  The subject never seemed to crop up.  She was always energetic and worked hard.  She liked to be busy and always said that she was never bored.  When she had to slow down a bit as she got older, she used to sit outside and weed the lawn and things like that, rather than do nothing.  She was a keen gardener and always had a lovely garden with both flowers and vegetables.  I especially remember the roses.  She always kept herself looking good - nails nicely filed etc.  She was always slim - I remember thinking the last time she stayed with me before going back to Port Elizabeth and hospital - that she could have taken part in a pantomime as the prince-charming her figure was so good - She did beautiful flower arrangements and also iced cakes.  She also said that she was just a jack of all trades, but I think she mastered many of these.  She had a mild stroke when she heard that her sister Lorna had died - it was so unexpected.  She then had to go into a home as she was unable to help herself, she was always so very independent and preferred helping others.  I think that it was very sad as she had always dreaded that this would happen.  She died in Port Elizabeth on 16.6.1987. [Heather has some very nice old photographs of the Howard family; one of Josias Aylesbury Howard as a young man, in a topee and another, when older, in military uniform; plus two charming ones of Violet as a young woman, the second showing her standing with her husband Herbert Howard sitting next to her.]
 
From Ruth May:
When we passed through Port Elizabeth in about 1986 or so, we called in to see Aunt Iris in the home that Heather mentioned above.  It was not the most luxurious of places, being a typical old age home of that period, but she was as always immaculate in her appearance and as friendly and kind as ever.  As Heather says, it was really sad that she needed the kind of assistance provided by the home and, because some of the other people there were mentally affected the door to the street was kept locked all the time.  This kind of restriction and the consequent lack of opportunity for exercise must have been very frustrating for her.  We found it very distressing that something could not be done to change things for her.
 
The children of Herbert Howard from his marriage to Anne Aylesbury were:
 

H4/5.[5]a  Josias Aylesbury Howard, born 29.5.1896, Wexford, Keiskama River, Cape Province and died 6.1.1961.  He became a miner and he married on 21.1.1925 in Johannesburg Thelma Doris Glenn, who was born on 16.4.1906 in Pretoria and died 5.4.1974.  They had one child:

 
H4/6.(aa) Jefferson Howard,  who was born on 16.12.1925 in Johannesburg and married on 14.8.1948 in Springs, Transvaal, Susan Massey.  She was born on 19.9.1922 in Vereeniging, Transvaal and they had one child:
 
          H4/7.(aa) Malcolm Howard,  born 10.7.1950 in Nigel,  Transvaal.
 
H4/5.[5]Kathleen Muriel Howard, who was born on 28.3.1898 in Peddie, Cape Province.  She was married in Cape Town to Charles Boyes Taylor and they had three children:
 
        c.1. Joy Boyes Taylor married Ronald Ribbink
        c.2. George Boyes Taylor, died about 1880/1882(?)
        c.3.  Desmond Boyes Taylor, who was a photographer in Cape   Town and he married Gorry Bagnal.
The children of Herbert Howard from his marriage to Violet May Jefferson were:
 
H4/5.[5]c Herbert Jefferson Howard, born 1.7.1901 in East London and died 3.2.1902 in East London.
 
H4/5.[5]d Violet Mary Howard, who was born on 17.9.1902 in East London and married on 16.9.1930 in Johannesburg Douglas Victor Howard, her first cousin.  She died on 27.2.1989 in Port Alfred.  See under his section H4/5.[4][7]  for details of their lives.
 
H4/5.[5]e Lorna Julia Howard,  who was born on 1.4.1904 in East London and was married on 5.8.1935 in Aliwal North to Vernon Herman Oelschig, who was a trader and he was born on 18.6.1903 and died on 2.6.1952 in Benoni and  Lorna Julia Oelschig nee Howard died on 18.9.1985 also in Benoni.  They had three daughters:
 
c.1.  Dawn Rosemary Oelschig, born 12.2.1937 in Aliwal North, married (1st) Thomas Harlslief and they were divorced.  She married (2nd) Georg Federl, a clerk, and divorced him. They had two children. She lives in Benoni, South Africa.
c.2.   Veronica Lorna Oelschig, born 24.5.1939 in Johannesburg, married (1st) Roy Brazier and they were divorced.  She married (2nd) Godfrey Charles Roper, a clerk,  and they had two children.
c.3. Rowena Mary Oelschig, born 9.11.1940 in Basutuland, married Robert L. Wilson, a joiner, and they had two children.  They were living in U.K.
 
H4/5.[5]f   Iris Noel Howard,  who was the fourth child and third daughter of Herbert Howard and Violet May Howard nee Jefferson and she was  born on 19.9.1905 in East London.  She married Donald McNee Wilson,  a postal clerk, on 30.7.1927 in Aliwal North.  He was born on 17.3.1906 in Indwe and died on 26.4.1979 in Port Elizabeth.  Iris Noel Wilson nee Howard died on 16.6.1927 also in Port Elizabeth.  They had three children:
 
c.1.  Heather Wilson, born 29.6.1928 in Durban, married Eugene Saunders, a postal clerk, born on 20.8.1926 in Cape Town and they had three children:
(i)            Maureen Saunders, born 5.4.1954, Cape Town.
(ii)          Kevin Saunders, born 15.12.1955, Cape Town (he and his wife were killed in a motor accident on the N1 in about 1999)
(iii)         Donald Saunders, born 7.12.1958, Cape Town.
 
c.2.  Donald McNee Wilson, born 25.1.1932, Johannesburg and   drowned 9.12.1938 also in Johannesburg.
 
c.3. Robin Howard Wilson, born 21.9.1940 in East London, married  Magdelina Meyer and they had two children:
(i)          Chantelle Wilson, born 23.1.1970 in Port Elizabeth.
(ii)        Renee Wilson, born 4.7.1972 in Port Elizabeth.
 
From Ruth May:
 
Heather and I were great friends as children and she was often brought to play with me at 'Graystones'.  At the end of each visit we would both beg our mothers to allow Heather to sleep over for the night.  Knowing that Heather always got home-sick, they would try to dissuade us over this idea, but needs must, in the end we would prevail because they hoped to 'cure' her of this phobia.  All would be well during supper and until we were in bed, than Heather would develop a dreadful tummy ache or some such and in the end my mother would give up trying to comfort or help over this and phone for her mother to come and fetch her home.
My very first trip on my own was in a very small aeroplane to East London to stay with Aunt Iris, Uncle Donald and Heather.  I took my doll with me and have a photograph of this momentous trip!  Uncle Donald kept pigeons and flew them in competitions, winning quite a few cups.  Against the fence of their yard grew a number of castor oil plants with red, prickly seeds.  Fortunately the very name put us off touching these plants, as I believe that they can be quite poisonous if eaten.
 
Then, sadly, one must record that during a visit by Iris Wilson, her daughter, Heather, and son, six-year-old Donny Wilson, he drowned in the swimming pool at 'Graystones' in 1938.
I have a very vivid memory of this day in my childhood.  There was quite a large crowd of children all noisily shouting at each other, swimming about, jumping into and climbing out of the pool.  There were a couple of lilos floating about, with children clambering on and off them when Aunt Iris came up to the pool enquiring about Donny's whereabouts.  Someone said he had been on one of the lilos.  She was frantic especially when she sighted him below the water, she jumped in and pulled him out, leaving one of her shoes at the bottom of the pool.  There was nothing that could be done, of course.  We children all hung about helplessly, overcome with the enormity of what had happened.  Later, the police came and each child was interviewed after being instructed not to be afraid but just to tell the truth as far as they knew it.   Aunt Iris was never the same laughing, happy-go-lucky person she had been before even though they had another son, born two years after the tragedy, on 21st September, 1940 in East London.
Strangely enough, Donny nearly drowned once before.  It was when we were picnicking as a family group at the Jukskei River, not far from Johannesburg, when he got into difficulties.  I always remember those picnics when I smell the mimosa blossom on the wattle trees, as they grew all along the banks of this river.
 
THE WILSON FAMILY CONNECTION.
 
From: "The Story of the British Settlers of 1820 in South Africa" by H.E.Hockly and "The Settler Handbook" by M.D.Nash.
 
WILSON  -  John, 33, party Rowles, on the Nautilus', wife Hannah, 30; child, Joseph, 6
 
From: "Roll of the British Settlers in South Africa" by E. Morse Jones.
 
JOHN WILSON ... 1782 - 1838.   'He sailed in 'Nautilus' in 1819.  He was buried at Grahamstown where he had bequeathed his house to the Roman Church.'
 
Most emigrants in Rowes party came from Middlesex.
 
Rowles Party - A party of 27 from London led by Thomas Rowles sailed in 'Nautilus'. They were located on the right bank of the Kap River and called their location Rivers Dale.  Thomas Rowles left early and was succeeded in charge by Francis Blackbeard.
 
From: "The Settler Handbook" by M.D.Nash.
 
Rowles Party -No 10 on the Colonial Department list, led by Thomas Rowles of 22 Weymouth Terrace, Hackney Road, London.
Rowles initial application to emigrate was made from Stroud in Gloucestershire, a centre of the West of England cloth trade which had been hard-hit by the recession.  Rowles described himself as a 'traveller, clerk, surveyor, etc.' who wishe to combine agriculture with schoolteaching; he was 'possessed of an elevated mind' as well as an eloquent pen with which to plead his party's case; 'The refusal to our petition must come as a thunder bolt, it must be received by us under our present gloomy circumstances as a warrant to suffer martyrdom by starvation.'   Rowles' proposed party consisted of 11 men and their families; one of them, Isaac Wiggill, subsequently joined Bradshaw's party, recruited in the nearby village of Cam, and six others 'withdrew from their agreement in consequence of listening to the false rumours which are so industriously circulated by the enemies of all good and laudable efforts.'  A revised list was submitted to the Colonial department in October and deposits were paid for 10 men, four of the original party, Rowles, Chipperfield, Crane and Hawkes, and six newcomers, some or all of whom may have been recruited in London.  John Smith, ropemaker and onetime boatswain of the 'Impregnable', was among the last additions; he had been a member of a London party under John Staples whose application to emigrate had been unsuccessful.
This was a joint stock party, and its members signed articles of agreement pledging themselves to unite for their 'mutual advantage and support.'
The party embarked in London, and left Gravesend in the regular transport ship 'Nautilus' on 3rd. December 1819, reaching Table Bay on 17 March and Algoa Bay on 14 April.  The party was located on the right bank of the Kap River and named the location Rivers Town, in honour of the Landdrost of Albany, Harry Rivers.  Rowles abandoned the location in 1821 and was succeeded as director by Francis Blackbeard.
 
Note: No Agent of Transports' Return has been traced for the 'Nautilus', showing the state of the parties as they arrived at the Cape, but the presence in the Colony of all the men of Rowles' party has been confirmed from Colonial records.
 
N.B. This may not be the Wilson family from whom Donald McNee Wilson was descended because the Christian names do not correspond with the traditional family names.  However, it has always been understood that this branch of the Wilson family were definitely descended from the 1820 Settlers and, in fact, one member was chosen for the tree planting ceremony which marked the 150th anniversary of their landing.  Proof of descent was required at that time, but this John Wilson is the only one of that spelling included in the various Settler lists, so this is something requiring further research
 
 
H4/5.[5][8] Talbot Percy Howard,  was born 1.2.1908, married Florence Ann Curran.  For details of their lives refer to section H4/5.[5][8] to follow.
 
H4/5.[5]h   Florence Olivia Howard, who was the sixth and youngest child of Herbert Howard and Violet May Howard nee Jefferson and she was born on 10.11.1909 in Aliwal North.  She married William Edward (Billy) Mitton in Johannesburg on26.1.1935.  He became a moulder and he died on 12.5.1975 in Florida, Transvaal.  They had two children:
c.1. Wendy Jay Mitten, born 26.4.1937 in Johannesburg and she was married on 31.10.1957 in Discovery, Transvaal to Frederick Pretorius, but they were divorced on 3.12.1974.  They had two children:
(i)            Janine Pretorius, born 12.9.1964 in Bryanston, Johannesburg.
(ii)          Christopher clive Pretorius, born 7.9.1966 also in Bryanston.
 
c.2. Clive Edward Mitton, born 13.7.1941 in Johannesburg and he was married on 8.8.1964 in Bryanston to Lynette van Straten, who was a display artist and they had three children:
(i)          Shawn Mitten, born 24.12.1964 in Discovery.
(ii)        Odette Mitten, born 27.6.1967 in Discovery.
(iii)       Dallas Mitten, born 25.3.1971, Discovery.
 
From Ruth May:
I did not know the rest of this branch of the Howard family as well as those mentioned above, except for the youngest of Aunt Iris' sisters, Florence (Flossie) who married William (Billy) Mitten.  They had two children, a daughter, Wendy and a son, Clive, who were considerably younger than I was, but I quite often went with my mother to visit Aunt Flossie and her mother, old Aunt Violet, when they were living in Discovery or Florida, Transvaal.  Because they were not very well off, my mother tried to assist them in small ways.  It was always very true of the Howard family in general, like the song, 'They are nice people, with nice manners, but got no money at all!' But really very nice they were, too.
 
 
H4/5.[4][7] Douglas Victor Howard  =  Violet Mary Howard.
                      (1903 - 1976)         [m.1930]     (1902 - ? )
 
Douglas Victor Howard was the fifth child and fourth son of Minto Howard and Ruby Edith Howard nee Palmer. He was born on 7th. August 1903 in Cathcart, Transkei and he became a trader, eventually owing a trading store in Aliwal North.  He married his first cousin Violet Mary Howard  on 16th. September, 1930 in Johannesburg.  She was the daughter of Herbert Howard and Violet May Howard nee Jefferson.  [Herbert was the younger brother of Minto]
Violet Mary Howard was born on 17th.September, 1902 in East London and she married Douglas Victor Howard on 5th.August, 1935 in Aliwal North.  They had four children all of whom were born in Aliwal North; there were three daughters, named Violet Florence Howard, Ruby Ethne Howard , Jennifer Grace Howard and the youngest, a son called John Douglas.  Douglas ran a trading store in the village during his working life but, on retirement they moved to Port Alfred and bought a small property on a piece of land, called 'Pigg Island', which lay in the 'S' bend of the river and was sometimes enclosed completely.  Their house was perched on the top of a steep hillock in the middle of the water, but they had sufficient land to grow vegetables and keep a few animals.  Douglas died on 7th. December, 1976 at Port Alfred and Violet went to live with one of her daughters, who had purchased an historic house, belonging originally to one of the 1820 Settlers near the coast, east of Bathurst.
 
John Douglas Howard (b. 4.9.1943) and Pamela Vivianne Howard nee Hewitt (b. 29.6.1947)  married on 24.6.1967 and they had three children:
(1) Douglas Glen Howard
b. 1.4.1968 Grahamstown, now living in London, England
(2) David John Howard,
b. 23.4.1971 Grahamstown, also now living in England
(3) Lee Ann Howard
b. 10.6.1975 Adelaide, presently (in 2006/7) studying at the University in Edinburgh.
 
John Douglas Howard was a butcher and is now retired.  His sisters are:
(1)   Violet Florence Howard
b. 27.3.1933 Aliwal North
m. Mellville Watson
b. 3.4.1931 Cradock
Surveyor
two children: 
(i) Howard John Watson  (b. 16.1.1960 Cradock)
(ii) Gayle Joy Watson  (b. 17.11.1960 Cradock)
(2)   Ruby Ethne Howard
b. 30.8.1934 Aliwal North
m. Brian Smith
1 child:
(i) Monique Tracey Smith (b. 10.5.1969)
(3)   Jennifer grace Howard
b. 16.6.1940 Aliwal North
m. 26.12.1960
Dalys Elliot Sparg
b. 6.6.1937 Engobo, Transkei
trader
2 children:
(i) Charmaine Sparg (b. 6.12.1960)
(ii) Michael Dalys Howard Sparg (b. 7.7.1964 Untata, Transkei)
 
Another visit I made on my own was to Aunt Iris' sister Violet and her husband, Douglas Howard  They had four children,  Violet, Ruby, Jennifer and a baby son, John.  They were living in Aliwal North and Uncle Douglas ran a trading store.  I remember it well;  even the smell of it, because I have found that all trading stores in South Africa have much the same smell.   I also remember the smell of the peppercorn trees that lined the streets of this small  town.  Uncle Douglas allowed us children to help ourselves to the sweets that were kept in the lower sections of the wooden shelves, presumably the cheaper ones, and his oldest daughter made sure we did not take too many!  All the family had funny pet names, my aunt being called 'Tutu' and Ruby, who was just a toddler, was 'Zuzu'.  It was she who got into the most trouble because one day when we had been playing with 'lucky beans'   (these are small black and bright red beans about the size of small watermelon pips) Zuzoo pushed some of these beans into her ears and up her nose.  What a panic!  It was with great difficulty that the doctor managed to extract them all as there was no knowing how many had been 'hidden' in this way.
Quite an amusing incident occurred while I was staying with them.  Uncle Douglas was concerned because he was loosing his hair.  Most of the Howard men are prone to baldness, but he had seen an advertisement for a treatment and sent away for the preparation.  It arrived during my visit and looked like soft toffee, being very sticky and yellowish in colour.
He got all of us children to rub this compound on his bald head whenever he was sitting around in the house in the evening or waiting for lunch.   One afternoon he announced to his wife, with delight, that although his head was rather painful, he could definitely feel hairs growing.  She took a look and then informed him that the reason for the soreness was that the piccanin had collected prickly pears that morning and used his hat to carry them back to the house!
One of the great pleasures of Aliwal North was a pool from the hot, mineral springs and, in those days, this area was not developed into a tourist attraction as it is today, but simply had a surrounding  fence of hessian separating it from the street and a rope stretched over the water to which one could cling if unable to swim.  As I had been told that the bottom of these springs had never been plumbed I was, at first, rather nervous, having visions of sinking right through the earth!  However, being in the water was so pleasant and relaxing I was soon enjoying it as much as any of the others.
 
H4/5.[5][8] Talbot Percy Howard   =   Florence Ann Curran.
                    (1908 - 1974)        [m.1930]     (1910 - 1989)
 
            Talbot Percy Howard, who was the fifth child, (following after a son who died young and three daughters) of Herbert Howard and Violet May Howard nee Jefferson.   He was born on 1.2.1908 in East London and was married on 11.7.1930 in Johannesburg to Jean Grant, daughter of James Grant and Mary Ann Grant nee Shiah.   She was born on 3.1.1910 in Johanneburg. Talbot died on 14.6.1974 in Johannesburg and Jean died on 13.1.1989 also in Johannesburg.  They had three children:
 
H4/6.(ga) Talbot James Howard, (called Peter) born 14.2.1931 in Johannesburg and he was married on 30.10.1954 to Florence Ann Curran, the daughter of James Curran and Mary Louise Curran nee Gard.  Florence Ann Curran was born on 28.8.1935 in Johannesburg.  Talbot became the District Inspector for the Rand Water Board and they had three children:
 
H4/7.(aa) Lynda Ann Howard, born 15.6.1956 in Johannesburg.
         She married Kevin John Edward Kane on 7.2.1976 in Benoni, Transvaal and they had two children;
         c.1. Jody Kevin Kane, born 17.6.1979 in Boksburg, Tvl.
         c.2. Klinton John Edward Kane, born 7.7.1982 in Boksburg.
 
H4/7.(ab) Bernice Cheryl Howard, born 24.9.1958 in Johannesburg and she married Brian Hoey on 18.10.1980 and they had two children:
         c.1. Brendon Charles Hoey, born 12.7.1985.
         c.2.  Nicole Ann Hoey, born 9.7.1988
 
H4/7.(ac) Michael Talbot Howard, born 1.2.1961 in Johannesburg and he was married on 6.12. 1986 in Benoni to Melanie Jane Saunders, daughter of Colin Cecil Saunders and Pamela Saunders.  Melanie was born on 23.12.1965.  Issue ?
 
H4/6.(gb) Charles Herbert Howard,  was born on 29.6.1935 in Johannesburg and he died on 14.12.1957 also in that city.  He had no issue and no further information on him has been traced.
 
H4/6.(gc)  Leslie Grant Howard, was born on 11.3.1937 in Johannesburg and he became Senior Building Inspector for the Johannesburg City Council.  He was married there on 27.9.1958 to Hilary Ann Walton, the daughter of Ralph Lamb Boyd Walton and Lilian Georgina Walton nee Rousell.  She was born on 1.1.1941 and they had four sons all born in Johannesburg:
 
H4/7.(ca) Desmond Charles Howard,  born 21.3.1959.
 
H4/7.(cb) Allan John Howard, born 5.1.1961 and he was married on 7.3.1987 in Johannesburg  to Kim Loxton.
 
H4/7.(cc)  Robert Brian Howard, born 8.12.1962
 
H4/7.(cd) Terence Ian Howard, born 28.10.1966.