Winifred and Ralph Sturman had two daughters:
(i) Janet Mabel Sturman, who was born at Broken Hill, Northern Rhodesia on 17th May 1935 and she married Oliver Arthur Payne on 3rd December 1960. He was the son of Arthur Charles Payne, who started Puzy & Payne as a bicycle shop and which became a leading motor firm; his father still owned the business when he died. His mother, Muriel Constance Payne nee Oliver, came from a Kimberley family of four girls and their father was Mayor of Kimberley and a Member of Parliament and had been the Manager of the Wool Board in London, before he came to South Africa. He was born on 14th July 1926 in Bulawayo and went to school in Rhodesia and then Michael House in South Africa. Later, he became a farmer. He died They had two daughters: (a) Clare Winifred Payne, born on 21st July 1963 in Bulawayo, who married Richard Wyatt Goodall and (b) Angela Janet Payne, who was born on 20th December 1967 and she married Stephen Holloway and they also have two daughters, named Jackie and Jessica Lee.
'I think the best thing for me to do is give you the information as I remember hearing from a little girl and subsequently from Granny May and Auntie Winnie as a teenager and then when I lived at home in 1961, 1964-1967 and 1969-2001 from Mother.'
Lucy and Nat also had two daughters:
(a) Adrienne Janet Tarr, born on 25th May 1971 in Salisbury and(b) Heather Lucy Tarr, born on 17th November 1973, also in Salisbury.